Less than two-thirds of southerners and Republicans pledge allegiance to the USA

Midget is right. I was born and raised in Tennessee (now living in California) and many southerners do say "The South will rise again" and many of them have their Confederate flags hanging.

I love my country and My country has a Flag and it will be the only one I say the Pledge of Allegiance to, That flag would be the flag of the United States Of America.

I'll never understand how they could worship the flag of losers.

...and fall again..right along with the Republican party...lets hope!

Dont worry, history has a way of repeating itself...so we can expect the Democratic party to fall, maybe not today or tomorrow......but have you ever heard the saying "Careful what you wish for"?

If we lose dems and GOP, does that mean we are allowed are freedom again?

"The Southerners and Republicans DO SO love their flag == of the Confederate States of America."

I am no Repuplican but this statement is total bunk ~ devoid of factual representation (especially in light of the Republican Administation of Abraham Lincoln having saved the Union by way of a long and bloody cival war).

TRIVIA FACT FOR THE DAY: On May 6, 1861, Arkansas seceded from the union to join the Confederate States of America.

roadlesstraveled...allowed to have OUR freedom again? WTF?! that statement can be taken two ways...Our FREEDOM do you mean your freedom to repress others rights to be FREE! because from your past postings that's what I'm getting and I'm quite sure that others here are also are getting that jist. Second..The Democratic party and LIBERALS are trying to do JUST THAT!...give you ALL the FREEDOMS granted to us by our founding documents! But in the inane, anti-fact mind set of those on the right, this will not float! You feel that if it is not the Republican party giving the rights that suit the Republican party then any one fighting FOR rights is in fact trying to destroy them. You "Righties" need to get your craniums and your rectums wired together properly! Remember the + terminal goes to the + terminal and the - terminal goes to the - terminal!

JennyJai - I love my country and My country has a Flag

You realize, I hope, that the American flag was the flag of the slave trade for 200 years

The Confederacy outlawed importing and selling slaves, and that was under the Confederate Flag

(which by the way is an adaptation of the flag of Scotland, with the St. Andrew's Cross)

Alan

Your point being that you would rather return to the 1860s and have the Articles of Confederation be our Constitution and that the Southern Stars and Bars be the flag of the U.S. flag.

And Alan the Confederacy didn't outlaw anything all they did was to maintain the existing ban on international slave trading.

You realize that the Confederacy copied the Constitution verbatum and then added clauses?

And Alan the Confederate Constitution also explicitly denied States the power to bar slaveholders from other parts of the Confederacy from bringing their slaves into any state of the Confederacy or to interfere with the property rights of slave owners traveling between different parts of the Confederacy.

In other words, the Confederate states went to war over the issue of slavery. They didn't want anyone to interfer with what the preceived as their right to own "people".

Thanks for responding and being consistent jaywow

You have a sterling record of misinterpreting and misrepresenting yet another post

That kind of thing doesn't just come accidently or easily... that takes focus and determination

; )

Truth hurts doesn't Alan especially when the truth goes against you. You have the record of trying to give facts that don't exist and representing them as truth.

Good job. Wish you would give some truth to your fantasies.

jaywow67 - Your point being that you would rather return to the 1860s and have the Articles of Confederation be our Constitution

Something you overlooked in your translation is that if that is what I meant or advocated, I would have stated it

You realize that the Confederacy copied the Constitution verbatum and then added clauses?

Your point being that you would rather return to the 1860s and have the Articles of Confederation be our Constitution?

the Confederate states went to war over the issue of slavery. They didn't want anyone to interfer with what the preceived as their right to own "people".

Democrats then and Democrats today really haven't changed, have they?

Alan

What a set of inane comments.

What you've essentially said is you have nothing more to offer to back up anything you've commented on. End of discussion.

You are missing the point.... entirely. Although democrats usually dont favor it being a crime for burning a flag, and dont want children in school forced to say the pledge, they are the ones that seem to agree with the ideology the most.

The only hypocrits are the ones who go on and on about how we should make it a crime to burn the flag and want to make it a big deal not to say the pledge - all while secretly being anti-American. But I guess we can't expect too much from the party so against gay rights but with the overwhelmingly highest proportion of closeted gay scandals.

Tim- the big difference here is that Republicans... or perhaps I should use 'wing-nuts' simply pay lip service to patriotism... 'No Flag burning! Say the Pledge of Allegiance!" Democrats actually believe in patriotism. We recognize that the symbole of our country isn't just a flag. We believe in right to free speech, and we believe in the freedom to excercize that right... even if it means burning that flag... and we believe in the right to NOT say the pledge if we don't feel so obliged.

I think pointing out hypocrisy is VERY helpful. I makes people take a look at themselves in the mirror for once.

This is utter BS. Daily Kos? and their agenda?

Yes, I agree. It is utter BS that the republicans appear to be such hypocrits. I expected better from them since i used to be one.

Exactly Josh! Sore losers!

Now that republicans are in the minority their stomping their feet and throwing a fit as they wonder why their party is shrinking!

I think the reason why they are losing so much support is, people are and have been getting sick and tired of the 3rd grade mentality, with all the name calling and lack of ideas!

The adults in our Nation voted in 06 and 08 to put the children in a time out until they learn to play nice with others!

"...Obama was castrated in the conservative press for not putting his hand over his heart..."

How odd, that would imply the GOP believes he has a heart to begin with.

Southerners are proud of their heritage to be sure, the North has their fair share of skeletons in the closet as well. As far as the South rising again, judging from the number of US Presidents who were either born or live in the South in recent history, we don't seem to have done too bad for ourselves (Texas especially)!

Southerners are proud of their heritage to be sure

Erroneous statement, you don't speak for all Southerners.

As far as the South rising again, judging from the number of US Presidents who were either born or live in the South in recent history, we don't seem to have done too bad for ourselves (Texas especially)!

So you think the South has risen? Has the South"(especially Texas)" effectively erased the last 144 years and reverted back to the archaic ideals of our past. IMO, it’s fine to accept your heritage and be proud of how far we’ve come as a society but to go back is lunacy.

RichardBL - So you think the South has risen?

In Alabama they build rockets that have flown to the moon and back...

...what do ya'll build in yore states?
; )

I'm a born and raised Tennessean, FYI.

In Alabama they build rockets that have flown to the moon and back...

I'm not sure if this is sarcasm or not but I will use this to make my point once again.

Alabama has built rockets - is not equal to - The South has risen again

IMHO

The statement "the south will rise again" is reference to a reversion of the Southern States to the time before the Civil War. If one wants to speak of forward progress made by a State or region of the United States of America, to label that progress with that slogan/quote is an injustice.

But Alabamas were not the only ones that planned, financed, supplied the math and science and the skills to do so. In fact, they may have been a minority.

jaywow67 - In fact, they may have been a minority.

So are Blacks, but their contributions and intelligence can't simply be dismissed due to such prejudice

There you go again Alan. I never said that they didn't contribute but your statement made out like it was all Alabama and even you know it wasn't.

You gota quit making up stuff Alan

Its fun watching you read your own meanings into what I and others post, and then getting all flustered and attempting to defend it when it is pointed out to you that you are once again projecting and coming to yet more erroneous conclusions

You do have your fantasys don't you Alan. Must be the rush of the dendrites firing.

Dendrites and crackling synapses, neuro transmitters and electrochemical input modulation resulting in esoteric Hermetism and daunting logic...

..and yes, its quite a ride!

First time is always a ride Alan hope you enjoy it.

Funny considering i was a register dem for 22 years and believe your wrong.

Funny considering i was a register dem for 22 years and believe your wrong.

Please, enlighten us with facts and evidence.

And where, oh, where do you people get your facts? Oh yeah, the daily kook. Make perfect sense to me that you guys sit there with bated breathe waiting for your next marching orders of what and whom to attack next from your HQ on the left. I find it quite funny, actually - the daily kook...haaaaaaaaaaaa.

The last time I looked, the South was part of the United States. Therefore, they are my fellow citizens. Quit f@cking attacking ourselves!!!

We have enough trouble without that kind of bulls*it!

This article doesn't depict the South I live in at all.

I believe you because I am a former Southerner. This article is complete nonsense.

The last time I looked, the South was part of the United States. Therefore, they are my fellow citizens. Quit f@cking attacking ourselves!!!

Thanks Scott. When I think all is lost with my political opponents, out comes a light to prove me otherwise. Most appreciated.

Yes Greeneyes I've seen more good people in the south than not! it's just those big squeeky un-greased wheels who get all of the attention while doing the least to help.

I've seen more good people in the south than not!

I think the Republican right wing is desperate to drum up support for their almost gone base. By appealing to the emotions of people that need a 'noble' cause for their life or need a scapegoat for their problems, they enact control over people that really need no more problems. The Repubs play these people like checkers and will toss them when they no longer play a role.

There is no nobleness or 'independence' involved. It is just a game run by people who care not at all for the people they are taking advantage of. Even if these people know in the back of their minds that they are being fed crap, it makes them feel important and gives them a vent for their frustrations. It is they should realize instead that we have a great country and we need to heal and rebuild in many ways.

I feel most anger for those that are capable of understanding the reality and prefer willful ignorance because of a bruised ego. I feel anger for those that are manipulating and using uneducated minds and using these people's difficulties to try to destroy our country instead of help these people and recreate our country

"I feel anger for those that are manipulating and using uneducated minds and using these people's difficulties to try to destroy our country"

And who is trying to destroy our country by manipulating uneducated minds? An elitist once accused us of clinging to our Bibles and guns. Is this the guy who is out to destroy our country?

This is witout a doubt the Dumbest thing I have ever heard! Southerners UnAmerican yeah ok. Still trying too split the country I see.

PO'd, they don't like us cause we're red states and we don't think like they think. Not a good way to change red to blue. Vote red in 2010.

I move to amend that to "Vote for the most qualified candidate in 2010."

I move to vote for the one who shows he/she can keep from stealing the future from our kids to pay for what they want now - and costing us trillion of dollars for wasteful spending!

This is witout a doubt the Dumbest thing I have ever heard! Southerners UnAmerican yeah ok. Still trying too split the country I see.

Hmm I dont think southerners are unAmerican. Being from the south my whole life I cant say I never seen an Unamerican Southerner. But I can say many do carry hang their Confederate flag.There are hard core Americans in the south. So for someone to Suggest all southerners are unAmerican is untrue.

An elitist once accused us of clinging to our Bibles and guns.

Yes, Obama said that. He was 100% correct, too. That's what galls you the most, isn't it?

You're acting like a 600 pound man who claims he is offended because someone said he is "of size". A 600 pound man is indeed "of size", and if he doesn't like that reality, perhaps he should go on a diet.

Frankly, you don't want to be accused of mindlessly clinging to guns and religion, maybe you should stop doing it? Stop blaming other people for your choices, and take responsibility for a change.

landspirit - The Repubs play these people like checkers and will toss them when they no longer play a role.

You may have noticed that as the republican Party has run more and more liberal candidates, their margins are decreasing

This last time, running the very liberal McCain resulted in several million conservatives deciding to withhold voting for president at all

If the Republican elite can't bear to associate themselves with a majority of people in this country, they might as well pack it in and ask the Democrats if they would prefer to have a civil union or go all the way and just marry into the family

Bubba...have you noticed that the "Red States" have been having much more than usual bad karma in regards to weather, fire and other "Acts of God"??? Perhaps your galiforms have returned to their domicile! You do know that "Red" is the colour of people like ..oh maybe..Communist's!

Schroedingers Cat - You do know that "Red" is the colour of people like ..oh maybe..Communist's!

So... you discriminate based on color... interesting...

No Alan but that's what YOU WANT to think! Just an observation about Colour/Communism! Go ahead and think what you want! but that is your assumption! You keep proving my point! thank you!

Alan if you Think that I discriminate based on colour....then can you explain why I backed Obama from the beginning and voted for him? And why is my favorite WW2 movie the Tuskegee Airmen??? Projecting are you??

B-B-But they started! They tried to make us stop having slaves! TYRANTS!

Don't worry Scott, I feel you. I'm sick of it to. I don't like Obama, but I really wish his whole deal aobut reuniting Americans would have worked.

It can start with you and me... and the other fine people here on Newsvine.

You know, I've really tried. I've tried really hard to be fair, to be open-minded, and I've had situations where I thought I made some ground; but the anger that is entrenched in some of these people is just too thick. There is some genuine hatred out there which people can't seem to get passed - no matter how you come at them.

I understand. BUT! Are you willing to quit... on America?

I'll stand up with you Scott.

It's absolutely nuts how divisive politics has become. Not that it hasn't been this way for a while, but you'd think as we evolve socially we'd get over these divisions. Unfortunately it doesn't look like that's the direction we're heading.

Here's your homework everyone: go find someone with a different polical viewpoint and give them a hug. Talk about what you believe. Seek to understand them vs just trying to make your own points. Put yourself in their shoes and ask yourself if you might see things differently. In the end if you still disagree realize that's the amazing thing about the USA we can live next door to people who disagree with us on all manner of things but we care for and protect each other still.

"I understand. BUT! Are you willing to quit... on America?"

No, my political beliefs don't allow me to quit. Instead, I crawl up in a little ball and cry myself to sleep.....

"Here's your homework everyone: go find someone with a different polical viewpoint and give them a hug."

I live in one of the most liberal cities on the planet. I don't think I could find a person with a really different belief system if I tried....

To show a bit of my political bias, I don't the people capable of changing these things are interested in doing so. It generates too much money. From t-shirts, to bumper stickers, to TV ratings to draw attention away from the GENUINE problems that face our nations.

I mean, I've had these arguments, I've attempted to defuse and dispell that type of thinking, but who are you more inclined to listen to, a person you've come to hate calling for peace, or a person you've come to trust calling that person you hate a liar? I'm a guy on the internet, not a respected academic or a political pundit. Nobody cares what I think.

The problem is that many in the South don't want to be Americans anymore. They would rather be traitors.

As a registered Democrat, I find it highly offensive that the Democrat now Chief of Staff Rahm Emmanuel said the Republicans need to be hit upside the head with a two by four.

Highly offended by all the attacks still going on on Governor Sarah Palin, and the US Representative Michele Bachmann.

By all the demonizing from both sides, actually. And by the nonresponsiveness of most of the elected officials in Washington to their constituency, whatever their party. and the idiots who pass bills they haven't even read. How stupid is that?

Daily KOS is a joke. It is not a news site, just an opinion site, with a very obvious slant.

Here's your homework everyone: go find someone with a different polical viewpoint and give them a hug.

Geez, can I skip the hug and just go straight to my political viewpoint? Tell you what, I'll give a small rundown on my political beliefs here and now.

I believe our government is too big, too powerful and no longer working in the interests of the people. We need to downsize huge and hold our corrupt politicians accountable...no matter what political party they may belong to. I am so sick of this mentality of 'if your politicians can do it...so can mine'. We are only hurting ourselves. We talk about bringing integrity and honesty back into our image...no better way to do that than to hold our corrupt politicians accountable.

I believe gays should have the right to marry. I believe the government needs to keep its big nose out of the private lives of those they are supposed to represent.

I also believe in parents rights. If parents are uncomfortable with gay issues being taught in public schools or if they are uncomfortable with any subject...they have the right to yank their children without being casts as homophobes.

I believe our taxes are way too high and our government has proven they can not be trusted to use our money wisely. I believe in helping people when they are down, not those who choose to sit on their lazy a$$es and collect from hardworking Americans like me. I get up five days a week at 2am to go to work to help support my family and hopefully get my son through college without owing alot of money. I refuse to support those who do not show any effort in wanting to support themselves. I'm generous but don't abuse that.

I believe in a strong military. I want our military to be the toughest, most experienced military in the world and I don't mind our government using my money to buy the best equipment for those noble souls who choose to defend this country. It's the least I can do. BTW...thank a soldier or Marine whenever you see one. I lost a good friend last April to cancer and he served in Iraq. Before he died...he made me promise to thank a soldier or Marine everytime I saw one...so I do.

I am a Christian and the older I get the more spiritual I get....but I do not and will not push my beliefs on to anyone else.

Abortion is a tough tough issue. I had one years ago and will regret it till they day I die. I will not push my views about abortion on anyone. It is a private and difficult issue many women wrestle with everyday in this country.

I believe we need to shut down the borders. Illegal aliens out....legal immigrants in. Want to come to this country...do it legally. I really don't understand why this is even an issue.

I am a Republican...always have and probably will remain so for the rest of my life. I believe Americans are a good people. We've got to find a way to unite once again and stop allowing ourselves to become divided...especially over topics like this thread.

There...hate me...like me...whatever.

The problem is that many in the South don't want to be Americans anymore.

How does one respond to such rubbish?

Okay, I'll join in, although I'm not going to be as full as Peach.

Like Peach I believe our government doesn't serve the interests of the people. Unlike Peach, I don't think this can be changed. I believe corruption is a byproduct of how our system is arranged, and you can't expect change without being willing to change the system.

I believe gays should have the right to marry - although I think we as a people have a right to determine what is socially acceptable and what is not. Until we collectively come to admit homosexuality is okay or not okay, the government shouldn't even address the matter.

I don't believe that parents should be able to remove their children from class simply because they don't like the material. Unless the material is demonstratably false, kids should have the opportunity to learn things that aren't necessarily in line with the views of their parents. Children are people too, even if they're just little people.

I don't believe our taxes are too high, I think they're actually pretty lax compared to other countries. I don't think our government is capable of handling our money properly; but I wouldn't use that as an excuse to not fund social programs. I think the notion that poverty is the fault of the poor is used to hide and justify the inequalities of our system.

I think our military is misused by our government, and I think a lot of good people die for very poor reasons. I think the money spent to "defend our well being" is really spent to maintain our economic dominance of the world. I think I rather see my tax dollars give a kid a book than give a kid a gun. I think its time America focus more on the problems of Americans, and stop focusing on the problems of the world.

I'm not religious, though I am humble in recognizing my role in the universe.

I don't really care about abortion.

I believe shutting down the borders is a overly simplistic solution to a much large problem. Regardless of that, I believe the solution is not to kick illegals out, but to require that they receive the exact same wage as an American worker. Businesses will stop hiring illegals over Americans when it stops being profitable to hire them in the first place.

I vote Green, though I generally despise party politics.

Wanting our own government to abide by and uphold the principles set forth in the document they swear an oath to uphold is hardly un-American.

A return to fundamental constitutionalism (I believe) would greatly benefit our country.

When Congress (both House and Senate) begin again to govern according to the US Constitution and stop regulating, dictating and interfering with States rights and sovereignty (also guaranteed in the US Constitution), then (and only then) will the health of union cease to be called into question.

Scott thank you Friend request sent. We are all Americans.And I too am tired of all the fighting and BS that is going on. Funny to me how Liberals scream for tolerence but all I have seen on here is Intolerence from Most of them.Way too spread your message.

If parents are uncomfortable with gay issues being taught in public schools or if they are uncomfortable with any subject...they have the right to yank their children without being casts as homophobes.

Although they have the right to do this, they would still be cast as homophobes because that is what they are.

I believe gays should have the right to marry - although I think we as a people have a right to determine what is socially acceptable and what is not. Until we collectively come to admit homosexuality is okay or not okay, the government shouldn't even address the matter.

But the government already addresses the marriage issue, by sanctioning civil partnerships known as "marriage" in the first place. By doing so, pandora's box is already open. The constitution demands that it be equal. So in this case, no, you dont have the right to pick and choose who gets constitutionally mandated liberties.

Where does the constitution demand that people be equal? (Be careful, if you answer wrong I'm going to peg you hard on this)

"Wanting our own government to abide by and uphold the principles set forth in the document they swear an oath to uphold is hardly un-American."

But laboring to seperate yourself from the rest of the Union simply because you don't like the direction of your country is. Thats what this really is about. Our government deviates from the the constitution all of the time, and the people who are up in arms now haven't said a word. Its not that deviation genuinely bothers these people, its that deviation in a manner that they don't like does. America wasn't founded on a game of "do it my way or I'll take my ball and go home" and the last time we played that game we have a civil war. Party of living in a democracy is agreeing to follow the rules when you don't win so that when you do win, others will follow the rules too.

"A return to fundamental constitutionalism (I believe) would greatly benefit our country."

The original constiution limited voting power to white landing owning males. People on the Right have this silly notion that there was this glorious point in history when our government was without corruption, where the nation was totally fair and free, and somewhere along the line we got away from that. Thats simply not true. We've adapted the constitution, we've moved away from its original intent for good reason.

"interfering with States rights and sovereignty"

When was the last time we heard this argumentation before? Oh wait, thats right, during the Civil War. The South was convinced that the Federal government was going to abolish slavery, and so under a banner of "protecting their sovereignty" they left the Union. Sorry. You don't declare war on the United States and get to maintain that you're a patriot.

Adrian Thorn - B-B-But they started! They tried to make us stop having slaves! TYRANTS!

Have no fear...

After Democrats were defeated in the Civil war and forced to give up what they claim were non-human slaves, they instituted the Poll Tax, Jim Crow laws, forcing Blacks to the back of the bus, separate waiting rooms and water fountains, and standing in the Schoolhouse Door to oppose and control Blacks

When they were defeated on those issues, they then claimed babies are non-human and that it is legal to own them and dispose of them without calling it murder, as long as they are still very small and helpless

So, history shows us that Democrats enjoy the idea of owning and controlling people, and when they are prevented from working them in the feilds as slaves, they switch to just aborting them at will

This is one of the funny things about Right wingers. They're so obsessed with Party politics, that they forget the underlying ideological component. There is a reason why everyone in the South at that time voted Democrat, and a reason why they all vote Republican today. Both parties have switched positions on the political compass. What, do you think Barack Obama would have been a Democrat during the reconstruction era? Of course not. Your post is nothing more than a dishonest attempt to peg the democrats of today onto the faults of the democrats of old - democrats which have far more incommon with contemporary Republicans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_United_States_Republican_Party#Realignment:_The_South_becomes_Republican

History. Learn it.

If what you say is true, what is it about being a Democrat that causes them to want to own people as though they are property?

Democrats = Owned Slaves

Democrats = Beaten by Republicans in Civil War, Lost Slaves

Democrats = Passed Jim Crow laws, Poll Taxes to suppress and intimidate Blacks

Democrats = Legalized "White" and "Colored" waiting rooms and water fountains

Democrats = Ran Confederate Flags up over state capitol buildings

Democrats = Resisted Integration, blocked the Schoolhouse Door to prevent Blacks attending

Democrats = Claim baby humans are property as they did slaves were so they can kill them if they want

...so tell me, which of these do you dispute?

And for your argument to have any substance whatsoever, when the old Democrats became Republicans and by your account began to oppose all these things, what made the new Democrats begin to behave that way?

I don't dispute any of those. I'm saying that the people that supported that Democratic Party wouldn't support the current one in anyway - precisely because they aren't even remotely similar.

No, when the old democrats became republicans, they continued to support those things. If it wasn't for the pressure put on the Federal government by the civil rights movement, they'd probably still continue to support those views.

What made Democrats change? They, like the current Republican Party, were becoming totally regional. They only had support in the South, and in an effort to become more relevant they moved FURTHER TO THE LEFT than the Republican Party that you're talking about (the one that served as a counter to the racist Democratic party). They were so successful in this, that the Republican party was force to appeal to those that were turned off by the Democratic Party's leftward move.

Again, I'll tell you to read. Its an established fact.

http://hnn.us/roundup/entries/10507.html

Good call. Thanks.

How is this hating them? It's just pointing out how they publicly answered a poll question.

W. Scott Lincoln:

Was this a scientific poll?

It came across as pure bull*%#* to me. Check please....reality check, that is. Some of you get so far out there that I wonder what kind of drugs you're on!!

U Creek - agreed, not enough info given or found to determine if this was a valid poll or just an exercise in massaging numbers to fit an agenda or predisposed beliefs.

Marrying a 2nd cousin is legal. ~ ; ) ~

Brian-497171 - what does "The South Will Rise Again" actually mean? That we will have slaves again?

No... those were the Democrats. The South is becoming more and more an area of Republicans on most national issues

In fact, if you would pause and examine your prejudiced vision of "Southerners" you would realize that only the very rich could afford slaves. The vast majority of people were dirt poor farmers and sharecroppers

Does it really seem sensible to you that 95% of the people would be willing to fight and die so some rich guys can keep their mansions and private planes? The same is true of poor farmers being depicted as willing to die so some rich guys can keep their slaves

The "South Shall Rise Again" is not about slaves. That is just too silly an accusation to actually believe anyone would allow themselves to be brainwashed into unless it serves to reinforce their basic desire to discriminate against others

The issue is State's Rights, as was outlined in the Constitution of the United States of America. It is the people and through them, the states, that allow the federal government to exist

Check your history

When a king, a monarchy, or as we have now an overbearing and oppressive central government continue to restrict freedom and inject themselves in parts of society they were never allowed to, it is time to reassert who actually is in charge

It is the people of the country who own the government, and not the other way around

If the liberals in the big cities allow themselves to become docile dependent wards a big Nanny Government, it falls to those who are unafraid to live, to strive, and willing to succeed or fail as individuals to restore the balance set forth in our Constitution

It seems most who are still committed to upholding those values and ideals are in the South, and thus the slogan "the South Shall Rise Again" is both a statement and a promise to defend all Americans, and not an attempt to copy the government which now seeks to own us

Thanks Josh, that was a good call - sometimes in the moment of it all I loose my typing self-control.

Alan you are calling for armed rebellion against President Obama, correct?

jaywow67 - you are calling for armed rebellion against President Obama, correct?

Once again, thanks for the laugh...

Like I stated above, that kind of tortured interpretation really requires dedication

The simple answer to your simplistic question is "No"

You see, in this country we still have the opportunity to vote for more attractive candidates in a short time

Just was wondering about your fantasies Alan.

I think you have yourself confused with school-sponsored prayer and forced reciting of the Pledge of Allegiance.

*snort* Ha!

And how many months ago these same people complaining now, were insisting it was said in EVERY classroom.

I wish they would make up their minds.

I still think they are just sore losers and cry babies.

Oops!

You obviously have me confused with someone else. Be careful to not ascribe random political beliefs to random people.

I change my mind all the time, but on this issue i've held this opinion for a very long time.

IAmEverydayPeople - The Pledge of Allegiance is an authoritarian brainwashing tool.

Careful now...

You realize there is a pledge of marriage as well?

Your statement comes very close to being homophobic and anti-gay

The Pledge is represented as "an authoritarian brainwashing tool"

There is also a Pledge in marriage vows

Many homosexual and liberal groups actively advocate same sex marriage

If taking a Pledge is a bad thing, used as a tool by authoritarians to brainwash people, then marriage would be a bad thing which should be avoided or eliminated

If marriage is a bad thing which should be avoided or eliminated, then it is not advisable for anyone, including same sex couples

If marriage it is not advisable for anyone, including same sex couples, then it opposes the liberal agenda of legalizing same sex marriage

...capiche?

Josh of Arc - that kind of conclusion is the definition of post hoc ergo propter hoc

You have drawn an illogical conclusion ; )

By your logic, every pledge, vow, promise, etc., becomes an expression of homophobia.

We are essentially stating the same admonition here...

My post was to highlight the fallacy of the statement that the Pledge of Allegiance is "an authoritarian brainwashing tool"

You see, any Pledge taken by individuals under the auspices of the government would by her definition be "an authoritarian brainwashing tool", in that noncompliance is not allowed to achieve the desired end

The vows of marriage are well known to be Pledges made by individuals who desire the end result of a government sanctioned marriage. Even if the whole ceremony was reduced to mutual "I Do's", they are still Pledges necessary for compliance

If taking a Pledge is a bad thing

I never said taking a pledge is a bad thing, and I never mentioned homosexuality. A lot of rightists have been playing the "me too" game.

Only to point out that your source of this article is a liberal blog.

Daily Kos (IPA: /koʊs/) is an American political blog, publishing news and opinion from a liberal point of view. It functions as a discussion forum and group blog for a variety of netroots activists, whose efforts are primarily directed toward influencing and strengthening the Democratic Party. Additionally, the site features a participatory political encyclopedia, glossaries, and other permanent content.

I am fairly confident that the questions are configured as to get the results they are looking for. So the real seed should not be about the poll but, why would anyone put stock in a poll like this.

I couldn't agree with you more.

I am just saying what it sounds like to me thas all.

or what it smells like, what ever you prefer.

The way it is now? Hmm. Why dont you explain how San Francisco is now? Let's see how much inate knowledge you have about San Francisco w/out having to go to Google to get your information. I'm going to assume that by your statement you lived in San Francisco long enough to know how it was then and how it is now......

Oh and btw, Google doesn't even begin to cover anything substantial about San Francisco .....it's a city that goes way beyond sound and google bytes and ignorant preconceived notions.

I'll sit here (in Florida btw where I live now) sipping my iced coffee, waiting with bated breath to see what you can come up with.....

What's this? No reply? Thought so.

No go cut some trees down and stop thinking you're cool by putting something out there you don't know anything about.

Sorry, I had to go to work. San Francisco - ah, yes, isn't that where Nancy Pelosi is from? On just that alone, I will rest my case! Everything I cited above you couldn't do there in San Fran. I was there several years ago; it is a beautiful city or at least it was then, but now it has been taken over by ther Nancy Pelosi's of the US - and there are so many wacko environmental laws - even to the point of telling you what kind of bags you can use to get your groceries....I could go on, but what's the point?